How Do These Corporate Whores Sleep At Night?
Mon, 07/07/2008 - 23:08 — Richard II
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Soundly
If Coca Cola management turned down the opportunity of the Olympics their shareholders would most likely have them sacked or even taken to court and imprisoned for failing in their corporate duty. You should address your remarks to the shareholders.
Ha ha ha ha.
You can't sack somebody for refusing to advertise at an event.
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Shareholders can sack the companies management whenever they like.
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Yes Joe they can but only under compliance with the Companies Act 1985. The management would be looking at a big payoff. The shareholders certainly couldn't have them imprisoned for not taking the opportunity to support a oppressive regime with an appalling human rights records.
Imagine the positive coverage that Coca Cola would get if they were to withdraw on humanitarian grounds.
Yanks
Coke Cola is a yank company so I don't think the Companies Act 1985 is going to have that much influence on them.
In the US the management can, in extreme circumstances, face prison if they act contrary to the will of their shareholders or take decisions which unecessarily damage the companies viability or profitability.
I think turning down the opportunity to sponsor the olympics could fall into this category, obviously they make a lot of money from this otherwise they wouldn't do it so to throw all that cash away for some sort of political agenda could definitely lead, if not to prison, at least to criminal charges.
Coke Cola is a company not a political party and have been selling drinks in far worse places than China for a very long time.
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They would still have to comply with the companies act to work in Britain. And the question still stands, how do these corporate whores, shareholders and management, sleep at night?
I guess
The same as the rest of us, soundly !
China is a big market and I guess Coke is very happy to have the opportunity to sell them lovely ice cold cola. I bet they also sell cola in Tibet and are happy to do so and if Tibet was an independant nation they'd still sell cola there, if Tibet occupies parts of China or China splits into numerous smaller countries then Coke would happy to sell cola in each one of those countries. Essentially the political status of either China or Tibet are entirely irrelevant to Cokes goal of selling drinks to as many people as possible.
Why wouldn't you sleep soundly when you've done a great job securing sponsorship of one of the biggest sporting events in the world taking place in a huge marketplace for your product ?
Why?
You are talking as though the Coca Cola Corporation is a person, it is not. I am asking how can the individuals of these companies sleep at night knowing that they are promoting a government with an appalling human rights record, I couldn't.
You can
Coca Cola are interested in selling their product. The people who work for Coca Cola are interested in finding ways to sell their product. As a company Coca Cola couldn't give a damn about the political situation of any country insofar as it doesn't affect their ability to sell product there and what any individuals who work for Coca Cola think is their own business and I'm sure they all do, as we do, whatever their conscience demands of them.
As Steve says below actually buying Chinese products is a far more direct expression of support for the Chinese than Coca Cola sponsoring the Olympics is and I'm guessing you sleep quite happily at night after a hard days shopping surrounded by all your made in China products. I know I do.
Made in China
Sorry Mr Joe and Mr Stephen but I think that you have been brainwashed with the idea that the free market rules and that people obviously quite are happy with the status quo because obviously if they weren't well they'd vote with hard earned cash and go elsewhere.
But where else can they go?
Gunboat Diplomacy
I think what Mr Fessey and myself are saying is that the free market is a great tool for providing us all with goods and services, which it is, and that it's a mistake to expect it to operate beyond these clearly defined goals and elevate it into the world of social politics.
In this country at least the tool for governing the direction we, as people, go in is the political system and this would be the obvious place to go to try and resolve issues we have with other countries and the way in which they're managed. Obviously at this point things get tricky ...
No.
That's not anything like what you were saying.
Oh yes it is
It's exactly what I was saying. I said Coca Cola is a company, their concern is satisfiying the thirst of Chinese and Tibetans alike with Coca Cola. Coca Cola is not interested in the Tibetans thirst for freedom because that's not something which can be fixed with Coke.
N O Spells No
No you didn't.
What ?
No I didn't . . . what ?
Anything
You didn't.
No problem
I don't really see a problem with this... After all, as individuals we all by cheap chinese goods and have never really given two shits about their source (it's not as if poor human rights in China is anything new). These "corporations" are really only extensions of what we think is acceptable. After all, if people really cared about where their trainers came from Reebok would have to change its manufacturing procedure. As it is, no one really does.
I'm afraid we are a species that do not care about people or product sourcing. If we did we would source locally and fairly. To be fair to Coca Cola, the emergence of China as an economic superpower will drive up standards - but from within the country which is the only way these things happen.
Until then keep buying your cheap chinese toys, plastic products and "free tibet" flags!!
I'm Alright Jack.
So you don't give two shits if the cheap crap that you buy is made in a slave labour camp or small children sold into servitude, nice one Ste.
No one does
No one does... check the products in your house and see how ethically sourced they are.
Fuck Off
Just because its practically impossible to buy shit that hasn't been produced at least in part through some inethical means doesn't mean that people couldn't give a flying fuck.
Point Of Order
This is an interesting topic for discussion, there are some questions here to which there is no easy answer and plenty of room for debate but there is no need to tell people to fuck off or phrase posts in what is a fairly aggressive manner. All that happens is everyone else gets scared off and stops posting and you and I are left in spiraling descent towards pointlessness and vicious retribution.
Instead can we try something new and see what happens ? Can we restrict ourselves to the sort of behaviour Mr Dimbleby demands from his guests on Question Time and cut out swearing, insults, abuse and deliberately obtuse and provocative points of view ( something which I am sometimes guilty of and promise forthwith to remedy ) ?
Fuck off!
Twat.
I Concur
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I guess
The people who really do give a fuck are the ones who go an do something about it, even if it means a little discomfort or extra effort for themselves personally.
I
feel that the positive imâct would only be felt in certain groups in the west. Generally speaking people don.t care. And how positive would the impact( be in China? Coke will be well aware of the imôrtance of that market.
Using sport for political gains largely smacks of hypocracy;
Yes we will trade with you and turn a blind eye at your human rights cases for economic reasons and carry on buying your cheap clothes and products; but when a big sporting event comes along we will do our best to placate the sensitivities of both opinions to protect our business interests.
I find the stance of reebok to be truly hypocritical and pathetic, and pretty much sums up big business and its attitudes to trading with controversial regimes
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